How Billionaires Call the Shots in the NBA (and America), with TrueHoop's Henry Abbott
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Pablo Torre
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🗓️ 10 March 2026
⏱️ 49 minutes
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Summary
In an era devoid of accountability for the Epstein class and sports owners (and in-between), Pablo finds a kindred spirit in the OG blogger turned ESPN insider turned fellow independent muckraker who's not afraid to call out the backroom dynamics of Adam Silver during wartime: If billionaires can't police themselves, does cheating matter? Do the people who run the sport... really love the sport? If there's no effort to be decent, where do the lies end? And if Steve Ballmer's already negotiating, what is his minimum viable punishment?
• Previously on PTFO: Ballmer's Tree-Money, the Whistle-Blowers and the Document You've Been Waiting For
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out, presented by eBay Live. |
| 0:03.2 | I am Pablo Torre, and today you're going to find out what this sound is. |
| 0:07.5 | I think transparency is critically important in the league. |
| 0:10.7 | We try never to be a no-comment league to answer people's questions |
| 0:13.8 | to explain as best we can, you know, why we do what we do. |
| 0:19.2 | Right after this ad. |
| 0:31.8 | I do want to clarify that you have no idea what I wanted to ask you about. |
| 0:34.0 | Facts. |
| 0:36.4 | Henry Abbott, thank you for doing this. |
| 0:37.6 | It's good to see you, man. |
| 0:38.5 | Great to see you. How's everything going? |
| 0:39.5 | You know, it's a lot. |
| 0:40.8 | Yeah. |
| 0:41.8 | Part of the reason why I brought you here is because of what we did on this show, live in front of a live streamed, no net audience, which I consider one of the most important developments in the entire story of the Clippers and Aspiration and Steve |
| 0:54.8 | Balmer and Kawhi Leonard and Uncle Dennis and Dennis Wong and this whole cast of characters. |
| 0:58.9 | Because I was invited to host a panel of some sort at Sloan, the Sports Analytics Conference. |
| 1:06.1 | It's a 20th anniversary. And we presented documents and new reporting that no one had ever heard of before |
| 1:12.0 | or seen. And one of them was a whistleblower complaint. And in that whistleblower complaint, which |
| 1:21.6 | was filed by not one but two registered whistleblowers with the federal government, |
| 1:31.6 | they told the SEC in writing under penalty of perjury that Aspiration and Steve Balmer's clippers were engaged in a capser convention scheme for Kawhi Leonard. |
| 1:39.5 | It says it in the document that Amin al-Hasson read. |
| 1:43.5 | Of the $20 million that Asp aspiration drew from the escrow account, |
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