How America Lost the 'Good War' in Afghanistan | Jonathan Schroden

Hidden Forces

Demetri Kofinas

Business, Government

4.8 • 1.6K Ratings

🗓️ 30 August 2021

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

In Episode 206 of Hidden Forces, Demetri Kofinas speaks with Jonathan Schroden, Director of the Countering Threats & Challenges Program at CNA. Schroden has served as a strategic advisor on Afghanistan to the US military since 2008, ranging from commands in-country to operational commands outside of Afghanistan, as well as strategic elements in the Pentagon, including the Office of the Secretary of Defense.

In the first part of today's conversation, Jonathan and Demetri examine the lens through which the public has become informed about the events unfolding in Kabul over the last two weeks and the public narrative that has quickly formed around what is truly a humanitarian and political disaster.

The question however that has been lost in all of this is why the United States is leaving Afghanistan in the first place, the cost-calculation behind the decision to withdraw, and how this decision fits into a broader strategic shift in the focus of American Foreign policy.

In the second half the two focus on the specific elements that contributed to America's defeat in Afghanistan, from the adroit battlefield tactics of the Taliban and their use of commercial technologies to fight an information war to massive corruption on the part of America's partners in the Afghan government. We also look at the ecosystem of terrorist organizations operating in-country and the international threat they pose to Americans, as well as the geopolitical implications of America's withdrawal for countries like China and Russia, as well as the supporting role played by Pakistan to aid the Taliban in its 20-year resistance against the US occupation.

The goal of this episode, as well as our recent episode with Laurel Miller, is to help you fill in the gaps and put together some of the important pieces that have gone missing in what has largely been a unanimous condemnation of the President's actions. By the end of this episode, you should be able to understand clearly (1) what went wrong, (2) why it went wrong, (3) and the larger, longer-term implications for the tragic events that are currently unfolding.

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Episode Recorded on 08/24/2021

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0:00.0	What's up, everybody? My name is Demetra Caffeines, and you're listening to Hidden Forces,
0:06.0	a podcast that inspires investors, entrepreneurs, and everyday citizens to challenge consensus narratives,
0:13.0	and to learn how to think critically about the systems of power shaping our world.
0:18.0	My guest in this week's episode is Jonathan Schroding.
0:22.0	Jonathan is the director of the Countering Threats and Challenges Program at CNA,
0:27.0	and has served as a strategic advisor on Afghanistan to the U.S. military since 2008,
0:34.0	ranging from commands in-country to operational commands outside of Afghanistan,
0:39.0	as well as strategic elements in the Pentagon, including the Office of the Secretary of Defense.
0:46.0	In the first part of today's conversation, Jonathan and I examine the lens
0:51.0	through which the public has become informed about the events unfolding in Kabul over the last two weeks,
0:57.0	and the public narrative that has quickly formed around what is truly a humanitarian and political disaster.
1:05.0	The question, however, that has been lost in all of this is why the United States is leaving Afghanistan in the first place.
1:12.0	The cost calculation behind the decision to withdraw and how this decision fits into a broader strategic shift
1:19.0	in the focus of American foreign policy.
1:22.0	In the second half, we focus on the specific elements that contributed to America's defeat in Afghanistan,
1:29.0	from the adroit battlefield tactics of the Taliban who repurposed off the shelf commercial technologies
1:35.0	to fight an information war, to massive corruption on the part of America's partners in the Afghan government.
1:42.0	We also look at the ecosystem of terrorist organizations operating in-country
1:47.0	and the international threat they pose to Americans, as well as the geopolitical implications of America's withdrawal
1:54.0	for countries like China and Russia, as well as the supporting role played by Pakistan,
2:00.0	to aid the Taliban in its 20-year resistance against the U.S. occupation.
2:05.0	My goal with this episode, as well as in my recent conversation with Laurel Miller,
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