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Inside the Hive

How a "Whitelash" Took America From Barack Obama to Donald Trump

Inside the Hive

Vanity Fair

News

4.21.5K Ratings

🗓️ 6 July 2023

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

Host Brian Stelter talks with Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Wesley Lowery about the historic challenges of building a multiracial democracy, the focus of his new book, American Whitelash: A Changing Nation and The Cost of Progress. The pair also address how race plays out in the courtroom, on the heels of the Supreme Court striking down affirmative action in college admissions, and in the newsroom, where journalists, at times, struggle to provide clarity and context. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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So I tend to think about American history as a tug of war between these two diametrically

0:36.4

opposed forces.

0:38.5

We have a country that is founded at its inception with a explicit racialized caste system,

0:46.0

right, that we defined what it meant to be white, and that that set of people had access to

0:51.2

full citizenship, rights were recognized as fully human, and then you had indigenous black

0:59.2

people here who were defined as less than that.

1:02.4

And that over the course of our history, we've seen a tug of war between forces that would seek

1:08.8

to make our democracy a multiracial democracy, to get that full citizenship for everyone,

1:14.7

regardless of rights, and on the other hand, you've got forces that would seek to pull back,

1:19.6

to keep things the way they are, to retain a status quo.

1:23.5

And so what we see over our history is that at almost any point you go to,

1:28.9

you have forces who are pulling in both directions.

1:31.9

Very often, we focus on those forces of anti-racism, whether it be the civil rights movement

1:36.8

or the abolitionists, but equally important understanding our history is understanding those

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