4.7 • 8K Ratings
🗓️ 30 April 2022
⏱️ 53 minutes
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WBEZ reporter Shannon Heffernan brings us the story of Anthony Gay, who was sentenced to seven years in prison on a parole violation but ended up with 97 years added to his sentence. Gay lives with serious mental illness, and after time in solitary confinement, he began to act out. He was repeatedly charged with battery – often for throwing liquids, like urine, at staff.
Gay acknowledges he did some of those things but says the prison put him in circumstances that made his mental illness worse – then punished him for the way he acted. With help from Chicago-based lawyers, Gay appealed to the local state’s attorney. What happens when a self-described “law and order” prosecutor has to decide between prison-town politics and doing what he believes the law requires?
Finally, host Al Letson speaks with Ear Hustle co-creator and co-host Earlonne Woods about the power of local prosecutors, including an upcoming recall election in the San Francisco Bay Area, and a recent episode from the Ear Hustle podcast that tackles the complicated politics of prison towns.
This episode is a partnership with the podcast Motive from WBEZ Chicago.
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0:00.0 | From the Center for Investigative Reporting in PRX, this is Reveal. I'm Alex. |
0:07.0 | Ever since Seth Uphoff was a little kid, he knew what he wanted to be when he grew up. |
0:14.0 | No, not a fireman, musician, or famous athlete. |
0:18.0 | I'm a little odd in that at about the age of 12, I figured out that I wanted to be a prosecutor. |
0:24.0 | And I know this sounds maybe a little cheesy, but really when I think back on it, I think a lot of it started with Law and Order. |
0:31.0 | Law and Order. As in the TV show, Salacious Court cases ripped from the headlines. |
0:37.0 | Seth grew up watching these fictional prosecutors in New York battle it out in court. |
0:43.0 | As prosecutors, they were doing what I thought was right and trying to uphold justice and put the bad guys behind bars. |
0:50.0 | And maybe part of his fascination with Law and Order, both the show and the career, was because he grew up in Livingston County, Illinois, home of the Pontiac Correctional Center. |
1:02.0 | Most anybody who grew up in Livingston County has some connection to the prison. |
1:09.0 | You can hear the, there's a big horn that sounds at the prison, you can hear that, even out in the country. |
1:18.0 | Depending on which way the wind's blown and how clear of a day it is, you can hear things from even out where I lived. |
1:24.0 | And so the prison was a very large, looming figure in Livingston County. |
1:31.0 | There was a lot of kids that grew up with their parents or friends who were prison guards. |
1:36.0 | One of my very good friends, his dad, was a prison guard and so growing up, going over to his house, you know, you'd see his dad come home from work. |
1:43.0 | He would tell stories about what goes on in there and as somebody who was growing up in a small farming community, you'd hear about some of these guys and it would, you know, make your eyes widen. |
1:54.0 | And it weirdly gave you a little sense of pride that, wow, we're dealing with big things here in this little area. |
2:01.0 | When Seth grew up, he got his law degree and eventually moved back home to Livingston County, where he ran for the position of state's attorney. |
2:14.0 | That's the local prosecutor. |
2:16.0 | He won the election, but once he got the job, his sense of right and wrong, didn't always square with how the criminal justice system actually works. |
2:25.0 | This week, we're partnering with the podcast motive from WBEZ Chicago to find out what happened when Seth tried to buck the system. |
2:36.0 | The show's host, Shannon Heffernan, came across his story as she was investigating blind spots at big prisons in small towns. |
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