This is the D. Pietro and Rothenberg podcast. Let the wild rumpus begin. Listen live weekday mornings from 6 to 10 a.m. on 880 ESPN in New York, the ESPN New York app and on YouTube by subscribing to the ESPN New York YouTube channel. I have two pieces of sound and and then we'll get to Stump Rothenberg.

Darren Mughey.

I haven't heard this. I heard some of what he said yesterday. You're going to snap when you hear it. This one's going to, because I know from the slug, right, from the description, he says this is not a teardown. That's why we kept Brees Hall. Here's Darren Mugie. I wouldn't call it a tear down. And I understand the question, but do these processes, we talk about a lot of things, and we field a lot of calls, and we've got values and breeds a talented player, and he's going to help us compete and win games the rest of the season. Okay. So you think you're going to win games, and you sit there and tell us it's not a tear down. What would a tear down be? Honestly, define to me what would make for a tear down here.

I don't know.

I mean, that's what we did yesterday was a tear down.

I don't know.

You're one in seven.

I guess if you traded Brees and Quincy and Jermaine Johnson.

That would be more of a tear down.

But I mean, who are you thrown out there?

At that point.

How is you?

You don't stop anybody now.

The moves you made didn't make you more of a favor against Cleveland.

You're now a dog.

They spread changed by four points.

Right.

So, I mean, this is not about winning.

Do they think we're idiots?

Yes.

Of course they think that we're stupid sheep?

We've heard some of these phone calls. Yeah, we're sheep.

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