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Third Hour Clay and Buck gets going right now.

Our friend Ryan Gurdoski joins us.

He is the author of the National's Populist Newsletter on Substack, also founder of the 1776 Project Pack.

Ryan, good to have you as always.

Thanks for having me.

Let's take a look first at the numbers as you see them today, the day after the debate.

What are the debate numbers and what are the poll numbers looking like as much as we can dive into that data?

So in the debate numbers, we'll start with that.

The CNN Insta poll results had Kamala winning the debate with 63%, and Trump having 37%,

37% of viewers said Trump won, 63% because they common one.

This is fairly in line with almost every single debate Trump has ever had.

CNN instapoles, I mean, which are not, you know, signs because it's right afterwards,

only among viewers. Trump will got 27% versus Hillary's 62% in 2016. And in 2020, the first debate with Biden, he got 28 percent to Biden's 60 percent. Trump is not a very good debater, never really has been. With the sole exception of the last debate with Joe Biden,

Trump has never won a single debate in a CNN Insta poll.

Going into how he's performing election-wise, according to all the major poll aggregate website,

in the national polls, Trump is either behind from one point to three points,

and that's according to a poll aggregates including Nade Silver, including 538,

the economists, race to the White House, voter hub, JHK forecast.

They all have by Comala with a lead, but it's a slight lead.

It's a lead between one and three points.

As I said, if there is a paper in Kamala's favor, the same way there was a

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