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This is The Best of with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

We are joined now by a author, journalist, all-round, incredibly talented guy, Douglas Murray,

new book on democracies and death cults, Israel and the Future of Civilization.

We appreciate you coming on. For those of you watching on video, the book is up beside me.

Let's start right here. I got to go to Israel in December for the first time ever. I went to the

kibbutzis on the border with Gaza. I went all the way to the north

in Lebanon. I was blown away by the concept, which I should have understood before, but I didn't

until I stood on the ground, that Israel really is the front line of Western civilization. If it falls,

then Western civilization is in trouble. I know this is a big part of the book argument you make,

but do people really understand the stakes, the consequences of what's going on in the Middle East,

and more alarmingly, the fact that a lot of people in America and other Western civilizations

have lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil?

It's very good to be with you and your listeners again.

Firstly, the book is attempted to describe the atrocities of the 7th of October,

2023, how they came about what happened.

I've been there in the zone of the conflict for most of the last year and a half,

and so it's a first-hand account as well as a temporary first draft of history

about the atrocities of that day.

But the other thing that the book is really about is a much bigger question.

It's the one, as you say, that affects us here in America and the rest of the West, which is why

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