This is CBSI on the World Hotel Mars episode end with David Livingston, my colleague and co-host,

and we're speaking with our colleague for a long time, Professor Hyme Beneroyah of the Mechanical

and Aerospace Department, Mechanical Engineering and Aerospace engineering department at University of Rutgers

in New Jersey. There are several programs that are comparable across the country. David and

Haim have given me a partial list. They mentioned Princeton, Yukon, USC, I believe, Arizona, Arizona State.

There are more programs coming on.

However, we're looking at habitats, and habitats on Mars seem a lot more credible because

of the amount of ice.

David, you have a question about Mars.

There are a lot of analog Mars places here on Earth that we know about from different

organizations and different places on Earth with extreme environments. It seems to me that they

really look at social issues and how to live together and work together.

But do we have a way to simulate Mars habitats on Earth in a Martian environment?

Or can we do anything close to that to really experience what being on Mars might be like other than just socially.

Right. So that's a very important point. So these analogs have been around for quite a while.

We have them. Other countries have them as well. This is an example.

An organization called Lunaris Space, which is a Scandinavian company, actually creates analog habitats that people can apply to and go and be there for a week or two weeks, primarily for students.

So they've already had 42 analog missions, and they're still planning on that.

So analogs are critical because they allow us to do on Earth

in a safer way what we might experience on the moon and Mars. So we can really duplicate almost

everything on the Earth. The one thing that we cannot is the low gravity, but we can build a structure,

a surface structure that has shielding, has temperature dependence,

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