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Hey, everyone, you're watching CoinDesk. I'm Jen Sanasi. We are kicking off the new year with

input output founder Charles Hoskinson. Charles, happy New Year.

Happy New Year, Jen. How you been?

I've been absolutely fabulous. We are kicking off 2026 with a lot. You and I were talking about that just before the recording.

But how have you been? I know you spent New Year's over in Wyoming.

I did. I was up at the ranch and I had a chance to play around with the bison. We actually got some new bison on Christmas Day. So that was fun. We tried not to get gored or trampled as Ernie came down from North Dakota, this small town of 500 people. And he's like, I got your bison for you. It was all all right, let's go. So that was, that was a treat.

But it's good to do rancher stuff. You do all this high technology. You're traveling all around. Then you go to the ranch and you're just like, all right, it's a totally different world. I got to tell you, Charles, I cannot relate. I've never interacted with a bison. but I can relate with, you know, getting away from sitting in front of your computer and reconnecting with nature, reconnecting with something that is real and other humans.

And I got to do that over the holidays.

Yeah, that's the most important part.

Now, on that topic, I want to talk about a video you posted on X. You announced that you are uninstalling the app. Talk to me a little bit about what went into making that decision. And was there a final straw in 2025 that fueled this desire to step away from the limelight for a little bit. Oh, for X, yeah.

You know, it was one of those things where I started auditing, because I always read tweets

and I try to see what's going viral, what's not going viral, what level of engagement

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