Hope Is a Discipline: Mariame Kaba on Dismantling the Carceral State

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🗓️ 17 March 2021

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Jury selection for the murder trial of Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin continues after the city announced a $27 million settlement with George Floyd’s family. This week on Intercepted: Organizer and educator Mariame Kaba talks to lead producer Jack D’Isidoro about the case, efforts born out of the uprisings of this past summer, and the role hope plays in building a long-term abolitionist movement. Whether she’s breaking down the historical foundations of the carceral state or laying out a framework for mutual aid, Kaba works tirelessly to reimagine and create a system not rooted in punishment and oppression. They also discuss her new book “We Do This ’Til We Free Us: Abolitionist Organizing and Transforming Justice.”

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0:00.0	This is intercepted.
0:30.0	Hey everyone, it's Jeremy. I know that some of you may have been wondering where I've been,
0:39.2	or why I haven't been hosting this show on a regular basis. You know, when we first started
0:43.9	the intercepted podcast, the idea was to spend four years covering the rise and reign of Donald
0:49.9	Trump. We produced more than 140 episodes, as well as a range of specials, series, and live events.
0:57.6	I am very proud of the work that our team produced over these four years. And right now, we're in the
1:03.8	process of working on a relaunch of this program, with a focus on how we can use this space to do
1:09.7	journalism that has an impact and to feature stories and voices that expose injustice and elevate
1:16.5	our understanding of the world in which we live. I want to thank our listeners for their patience,
1:22.3	and to assure you that this program will be back in the near future, but it will definitely be a
1:27.4	different kind of show. We have some exciting ideas that we're discussing for a new launch of
1:32.1	intercepted, and we look forward to returning to a consistent spot in your podcast feed very soon.
1:46.8	Today, we're going to hear from longtime organizer and abolitionist, Mariam Cabba.
1:51.6	You might know her from this program. You may know her from her Twitter handle at prison culture.
1:56.0	Mariam is the director and founder of Project NIA, an abolitionist organization that has a long-term
2:02.9	vision of ending youth incarceration through community-based safety strategies rooted in restorative
2:09.8	and transformative justice. She's also the co-founder of Survived and Punished, an organization that
2:16.3	addresses the criminalization of domestic and sexual violence survivors. A lot has changed since
2:23.4	we last spoke to Mariam in March of 2020. At the time, Mariam was at the center of coordinating a
2:30.1	mutual aid redistribution that provided aid to people who were putting themselves at risk on the
2:35.7	front lines of the virus. Since then, more than 535,000 Americans have died from COVID-19.
2:44.3	Millions more have been pushed into poverty and despair under a negligent response to the crisis
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