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do you Hi, I'm Peter Adamson, and you're listening to the History of Philosophy podcast brought to you with the support of King's College London and the Lever Hume Trust, online at

W.W. history of philosophy dot net. Today's episode will be an interview

about Cicero with my colleague here at King's Raffel Wolf. Hi Raffel. Hi Raffel. Hi R Rayful. Hi Pisa. Thanks for going back.

I did a podcast. Well we're going to be talking about Cicero as I just said and he has

always been of interest to historians of philosophy, but I guess more usually because of what he tells us about other philosophers.

But you're actually writing a book about Cicero, so I suppose you must think that he's worth studying in his own right. Why do you think that?

Well I do think that and hopefully it will be a more interesting book as a result.

I think I'm not alone in thinking that I think I'd like to say a little bit maybe about how one sort of gets to this stage of thinking of Cicero as a philosophical author who's worth reading in his own right.

I mean, he's, he's unquestionably

a very, very important source for earlier

Greek philosophical thinking, particularly

of the Hellenistic age.

And partly because of the accident of history that we don't have

we have virtually nothing that the founders of Stoicism and even Epicurus wrote themselves.

So the fact that Cicero took himself to be transmitting

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