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So, addictively comfortable your love swapping screen time for runtime. I'm John Bachelor with Professor Dan Flores Wild New World is his new book,

The Epic Story of Animals and People in America. Thomas Jefferson, the Louisiana Purchase, Lewis and Clark, and

the opening of the West because much of the story up to now about the striking paradox between the original Eurasian settlers and their sympathetic

approach to the animal kingdom where they thrived and the second invasion of the

Eurasian Homo sapiens where they were either either consternated or frightened by the animal kingdom.

Now we move to the west of the country.

And Louis and Clark record the first shooting of a buffalo that's official in American life.

At the same time, this period of revelations across America also include a man named

John James Audubon, whom we remember is the Audubon Society.

So there are two approaches going on.

One, how rich are we and what can we do with it?

That would be the buffalo, the elk, and the wild animals of the west.

And the other appreciate the bird life, the ornithology that is here right now.

Let's start with Audubon. Dan, you make it very clear that he had to kill the

animal, the birds that he painted because they wouldn't hold still for him of

course. Did he regret? In his early life, you don't find many examples of regret.

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