On Tuesday the 24th of March, our speakers will debate the motion,

this House believes we should abolish the licence fee.

Spectator Chairman Charles Moore and the telegraphs Alison Pearson

will propose the motion with Spectator editor Michael Gove

and former BBC America editor John Sopel opposing.

I'm Isabel Hardman and I'll be in the chair to maintain decorum and take your pressing questions.

Join us on Tuesday the 24th of March at 7pm and book your tickets at spectator.com forward slash debate. Welcome to Holy Smoke, the Spectator's Religion podcast.

I'm Damien Thompson.

On Wednesday, Sarah Mulally, who is already the first female Archbishop of Canterbury, will be

installed, or some might say enthroned in Canterbury Cathedral, the first woman to hold the post

in over 1,400 years, and somebody who is inheriting a Church of England that is more troubled and divided

than it has been for a very long time. She is, however, a woman of quite remarkable achievements,

having risen to the top of two completely separate professions, a secular one. She was

chief nursing officer for England and Wales and made Dame Sarah Malalley as a result, and now,

of course, has become Archbishop of Canterbury, having previously being Bishop of London

and Bishop of Crediton.

I'm joined to date by her biographer, Andrew Atherston, who's Professor of Modern Anglicanism

at Oxford University, tutorial fellow and Latimer research fellow at Wycliffe Hall, Oxford.

Welcome, Andrew.

Thank you very much for joining us on Holy Smoke.

I was fascinated by so many of the details in your book, which told me things I simply didn't

know about Archbishop Malawi, one of which is that she started out as such a tribal evangelical. I was quite familiar with the,

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