This is Recode Media with Peter Kafka. That's me. I am part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm recording this in New York City, but I was recently in Huntington Beach, California, where it was beautiful. And it was also the place where you hosted the Code Media 2018 conference. You talked to smart people. We wanted a lot of stuff. If you weren't there, good news. Some of that

conference will be here on this very podcast. Like this conversation I have with Janice Min,

who's kind of a publishing industry legend at this point. We talked about how she used to

run us weekly, back when that was a really profitable thing, how she turned around the Hollywood

reporter, and crucially, how she ended up having dinner with Roger Ailes, Michael Wolfe, and Steve Bannon. This is a great conversation. It is one of the highlights of Code Media 2018, and you get to listen to it right now. So cool. So cool. I feel like we're on the voice. Fanboy here. Says your title up there. Strategist at Eldridge, which is... Yes. The owner of the Hollywood Reporter in Billboard and Dick Clark Productions and other stuff.

I keep waiting for you to announce that you have a new job or you're starting a new thing,

so we should just pop the bubble, right? Is there a new thing?

Not yet.

I have been on, I guess, what I would call an editor's gap year, which has been, I think, I've

done this twice in my life.

I did it once after Us Weekly.

And both jobs, I was in an editor's chair for seven years, which is, I mean, it's, it's

lots of fun, but it is very hard.

And it's hard on your personal life, and it's hard.

It's just a grind, and I think, as you know, it's a 24-7 job.

So I have had the leisure, and I've been fortunate enough to be able to take these years off of editing.

I am trying to be helpful to the owner still.

And there's lots of things that I would like to, I think one of the things that we are evaluating

is how do you use editorial skills in an age when the traditional role that I've played in the world is diminishing, right?

And so how do you apply?

What do you mean it's diminishing?

You're able to run big publications.

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