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Hello, Hairgamer's Donovan here, producer of the Hair Game podcast.

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You've been doing it for decades, and every year, maybe multiple times a year,

are you coming up with new ideas?

Or somewhere along the way, did you come up with the I with the basic idea of maybe what

one Naha this year and you've iterated on it and tweaked it like talk about how you how you

start from zero to the finish line with the actual look okay so I mean some I mean, some of it, I would say, like, from a technical aspect, I would say that I

learn certain techniques that I enjoy revisiting and introducing into, like, new collections.

So, like, you know, say it's just the way I, like, form hair over a vase or something, you know, to create a shape.

So like once you've learned how to do something and you feel like you've got it down pat, it's, it's kind of nice to go back and say, hey, I know how to do that.

I'm going to do it in a different way, but I have faith that I know it will work, you know?

So there's that.

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