Hi my name is Lucas Spivey, host of culture hustlers and I'm guest spotting today on the lonely

palette for my dear friend Tamar. Tamar and I are two of the podcasters in the Hub and Spoke Audio Collective, but we have something far deeper in common.

You see, Tamar is the world's leading art historian in all matters of substance and I I have a minor in art history

I'm sorry who are you oh hi I'm Lucas Bivey the host of the podcast Culture Hustlers where we ask the question hey artist you make art but how do you make a living and I've asked this question to thousands of artists, designers, writers, performers, and

makers across America and I record the podcast inside, you guessed it, a 1957 Shasta

camper trailer that I'm taking to every state in America.

This episode comes from Grand Rapids, Michigan, where I brought my rolling recording studio to meet

1400 artists and over half a million visitors to the event.

We interviewed some of these artists and lo and behold one of the artists we interviewed,

Leandro Lesur, won the Art Prize Jurors Award of $200,000. So in this episode, 5,000 to 200,000,

Leonder breaks down how she spent a $5,000 grant to create the installation, video, and performance piece that

won the $200,000 award.

She is inspiring, she's fierce, and she is grounded. You're going to love her story. So congrats on your baby tomorrow. Thank you for letting me share Leander's story.

Hub and Spokes. story. You can't quit, you know, that's the one thing you need to remember in life is that when you're going through something if you quit, you're giving up on yourself, you know? Hey what's up? This is culture hust, where we talk with artists, designers, performers, writers,

makers, and other entrepreneurs on how they hustle their living by selling culture.

I'm your host, Lucas Spivey. I'm a BFA and I'm just drifting or across the US in a mobile

incubator. What is that Lucas? It's a rolling broadcast video inside a vintage

camper trailer towed by a true school disco ambulance. It's pretty cool I mean it

doubles as public art and a selfie destination and it's installed as such at our prize here in Grand Rapids thanks to a grant

from the Fry Foundation. Thank you Fry Foundation. We're pretty blessed today

because when we rolled up we picked out a few artists to interview

and guess what all the artists we interviewed got shortlisted for Art Prize

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