First, give a background of what you do and how you got into Chinese medicine as for context for those listening and watching.

So thank you, Alec, for having me here.

I got started with Chinese medicine.

I was in a completely different career.

I owned a school in California,

a preschool kindergarten,

and I did that for many years.

And I start,

just like anybody who comes to some kind of healing format,

was because of my own personal illness and things that I was

struggling with. And I at that time, I also, besides owning the preschool, I also owned a yoga studio.

And I was a yoga teacher and I was learning about the chi and how the body heals. And I became

so interested that I decided to go to acupuncture school, not knowing it was a five-year program, but I got my master's in acupuncture, continued the yoga studio.

And then at some point, I decided to completely change careers.

And that's when I moved to Arizona and Sedona and open a health

retreat center. And I started having retreat groups here, then more individualized and offering

acupuncture, yoga, meditation, really an opportunity for people to come out and be with themselves,

being in the nature setting, because I'm super isolated

from town. It's very quiet out here. And the acupuncture is something that interests me because

it has that foundation, that's something I can explain to my patients, all right, you know, here's what's

going on and this is why you're

having this coming up. But as we started talking, this conversation today is really about the

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