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Hello and welcome back to the Power Hour, the Heritage Foundation Center for Energy, Climate, and Environment's

podcast. I'm your host, Jack Spencer. Mark Guinea is joining us behind the glass, making sure that I don't screw this thing up too bad today. Mark, how are you, sir? It's a pleasure to be here. I'm doing very well, Jack. Thank you. So glad you could be here now. God, why do producers keep leaving me, man? Mark, are you the last guy standing or what's up? I'll tell you what, Jack, I drew the short straw. Just kidding, we have a lot of stuff going on. It's the middle of Snowmageddon at the moment, and everybody's kind of everywhere. So we're doing the best we can, but we want to make sure we get the power hour out and that it sounds great for all of your loyal listeners. I certainly appreciate that. I'm sure they do as well. Mark, have you been on the Power Hour

before? You've produced before, haven't you? I believe that I have, but it's been a while.

We have the inimitable, of course, legendary John Pop, as well as the highly capable young Jack Haggard. And so you haven't needed to go as deep in the bench as me yet, but here we are. Well, I'm glad to have you. I like people to know who we're talking to here. So, like, what do you do for fun, man? Like, tell me something about you. Yeah, that's a great question. So I'm the assistant director for digital here at the Heritage Foundation. Wait, that's what you do for fun? Uh, that's all that I do. It's my, it's my whole life. No, just kidding. I live actually, here's a fun fact about me. So I work at the Heritage Foundation, of course, in D.C., but I am a commuter from the greatest state in the

Union, wild and wonderful West Virginia. So I was raised out here, and I also live out here now,

and I commute into Heritage. But it is a truly great state, and one that I'm very happy to represent.

So that's a fun fact about me. I love West Virginia. That's where, you know, I talk a lot about my hunting adventures. That's where my, that's where I hunt that. So I'm a big West Virginia guy. I spent a few years living there myself in my, I guess when I was in the eighth and ninth and 10th grade, I was there, lived up on top of a mountain. I'm not even kidding.

I'm not exaggerating for effect, literally on top of a West Virginia mountain where,

well, we can talk more about that a different day,

but all of the West Virginia stereotypes that exist,

I'm telling you, they were born on the top of that mountain.

There you go.

I mean, it is a state that has got a lot of lore

and a lot of stories that people may not be completely aware of. You know, we've got the moth man,

we've got pepperoni rolls, you know, we've got the Greenback Radio Observatory, the biggest

radio telescope in the world out in West Virginia. We got a lot of stuff. People just don't know about it. The pepperoni rolls are to die for. In fact, that's part of my ritual. Every time I go out to my place is I saw that sheets on the way home and grab myself one of those delicious, greasy, pepourney rolls. Best in the world. No question about it.

Oh, it's so good. It's so good. Invented right here in West Virginia, I think for coal miners.

I think that was the, the genesis is that it was an easy thing for Italian coal miners to take into the mines with them.

And that's how pepperoni walls got their starting in West Virginia.

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