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Scratch & Win

Hearts and Minds

Scratch & Win

GBH News

History

51.5K Ratings

🗓️ 15 November 2023

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

Part 9: It’s been fifty years since the Big Dig was first conceived, thirty years since construction began, more than a dozen years since it was completed – and the final twist is: the project has largely delivered on its promises. How do we reconcile that reality with the scandal and outrage we’ve heard so much about?

Credits:

Host and scriptwriter: Ian Coss

Executive Producer: Devin Maverick Robins

Producers: Isabel Hibbard and Ian Coss

Editor: Lacy Roberts

Editorial Advisor: Stephanie Leydon

Fact Checker: Lisa Wardle

Scoring and Music Supervision: Ian Coss

Project Manager: Meiqian He

Transcript

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0:00.0

Support for the Big Dig comes from MIT Federal Credit Union, with a full range of financial services, their financial advisors, are committed to helping members money work for them.

0:09.4

Memberships open to the public. More at MITFCU.org, federally insured by NCUA.

0:30.1

It's July of 2023, the hottest month humans have ever recorded on planet Earth.

0:34.6

But at 8 a.m., the heat is still more or less tolerable.

0:36.1

How's it going?

0:40.3

So that is when I meet up with Fred Salvucci one last time. You want to take a little walk?

0:41.3

Yeah, sure.

0:42.3

And he takes me on a tour of the project he set in motion,

0:46.3

tearing down the elevated central artery and restoring downtown Boston.

0:51.3

This horrible garage who was trying to block,

0:57.0

putting the central lottery underground,

1:00.0

because he was afraid...

1:01.0

For Salvucci, this whole area is dense with memories

1:04.0

of long ago battles and small victories.

1:07.0

We figured out a different way to do it,

1:09.0

but they're doing their best to mess it up.

1:12.6

I try to imagine what it must be like to walk these blocks and know them like they were a giant chessboard

1:19.6

on which you spent the better part of 20 years arranging and rearranging the same pieces, seeking that one path forward.

1:29.3

You went to lunch in the north end. Is this your walk?

1:31.3

Yeah, this was my walk, except I'd have to divert over the Salem Street because Hanover was blocked.

1:37.3

We traced the walk he used to take under the elevated structure,

1:41.3

back when a lunch of macaroni and beans cost half a buck.

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