Heart and Soul: Follow God, not the people
The Documentary Podcast
BBC
4.3 • 2.7K Ratings
🗓️ 1 December 2023
⏱️ 27 minutes
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Summary
Brought up in a devout Catholic family in the suburbs of Kampala, Frank Mugisha knew that something was different about him even as a small boy. He was gay, although in those days he had no words for it. Growing up, he was subjected to conversion therapy, and his family took him to traditional healers to try and change his orientation. When all his prayers for God to “make him like his friends” went unanswered, Frank gradually came out to family and close friends. He started an organisation to help other LGBTQ+ people. Frank tells Mike Wooldridge why, despite the enormous risk, he has to do the right thing and continue his campaign.
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| 0:19.2 | This law will cost lives. |
| 0:21.8 | This law is a violation of human rights. You have young people especially who see |
| 0:28.8 | sexuality as fluid, but this is a case where some old people sitting in a parliament have laid down the law. |
| 0:40.0 | A high-ranking United Nations official from Uganda, Winnie Bagnima, criticizing a harsh new law against |
| 0:47.1 | homosexuality which came into force in her country this year, a law which provides for the death penalty for what is described |
| 0:54.9 | as aggravated homosexuality involving minors for example. Although same-sex relations |
| 1:01.3 | have long been illegal in Uganda now it has one of the most extreme |
| 1:05.3 | pieces of legislation on the issue in the African continent. |
| 1:09.5 | It shocked Uganda's LGBTQ community. in particular Frank Mugisha, one of the country's leading gay rights |
| 1:17.2 | campaigners. |
| 1:18.2 | Even when I do not understand as a young boy what sexuality was about I found it rather disturbing |
| 1:31.3 | that any person would be offended by someone who is different. |
| 1:36.0 | Frank Mogisha runs an organisation called Sexual Minorities, Uganda, |
| 1:41.0 | the leading umbrella organisation for lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans and queer people in the country. |
| 1:48.0 | They're finding their lives even more restricted now that the new tougher legislation is in force. |
| 1:54.3 | I'm Mike Waldridge and in this edition of The Right Thing |
| 1:58.7 | the Heart and Soul series from the BBC World Service that explores acute dilemmas faced by individuals, |
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