All right, five o'clock. Good to have you with us. We're going to play some Nick Sabin audio for you momentarily.

We're talking draft, your dream, your nightmare. You know, the Sabin stuff about Caden Proctor, not ideal.

But we'll play it for you. You make your own determination. And then, look, I just want to, before we even go down this road, just the conversation

we have with a caller about how everyone thinks they have a good culture.

And I had brought up, look, the lions do.

Organizations that are rebuilding are keenly aware they lack leaders.

They lack professionals.

They know they do not have a good culture.

They are attempting to build a good culture. That is different when you are doing a risk assessment on a player that has red flags. That's why for years the Patriots could get away with taking players with character flaws and get away with it, while the lions would take them and they would turn into complete degenerates. That's the difference.

The winning, the professionalism, the leadership, it does matter.

So that was all I was trying to communicate.

Okay, that's done.

Here's the save and audio about Caden Proctor, who, let's face it, the lions love their

RAS scores and they love drafting players they

actually have dinner with.

Well, Caden Proctor fits those things.

So it just becomes, does this scare you?

Here's Nick Sabin on the matter.

Oh, other than that, Miss Lincoln, how was the play?

Kind of what it sounded like.

Wasn't a ringing endorsement.

It was none of how I like them, but don't hold me accountable if these things happen.

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