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Welcome to Hear Me Out. I'm your host Celeste Headley.

Workplaces around the country are reckoning with what it means to be a truly diverse,

equitable and inclusive workplace. It's a movement that's existed since the Civil Rights Movement

started gaining traction, but you'll note that hostile workplaces very much still exist.

If you work or you go to school, you've probably had to sit through a DEI training,

and you, like many other people, have probably wondered what the point is,

on all these buzzwords and chief diversity officers, is it even working?

Our guest today argues, no, and that it's time to change course before workplaces accidentally

make things worse. They say the word diversity a lot, especially in public,

secretly deep down inside. They don't want to change a thing because the system is working

just fine for them as it currently is. CEO and entrepreneur Cindy Gallup joins us on Hear Me Out

in just a moment. Stay with us.

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podcast. Welcome back to Hear Me Out. I'm Celeste Headley. The world is evolving rapidly,

yet we are not embracing inclusion at the same pace. We're all different,

and our differences can generate various points of view and contribute to creativity and innovation.

You're listening to a clip of a diversity training video from DuPont, the Materials and

Chemical Engineering Company. If it sounds familiar to you, it's probably because you have had to

sit through training like that at some point, or either at work or at school. Diversity,

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