This is Hear Me Out. I'm Celeste Headley.

Our first episode was a discussion on whether we can talk to people we disagree with

and have a genuinely productive conversation that both parties feel good about.

Throughout the show's run, we've really tried to provide a proof of concept for that idea.

You probably haven't agreed with all or even most of our guests. I sure haven't.

But we like to think we've done a pretty good job showing you that discussion is possible.

As of this week, Hear Me Out is over. So for our last episode, we'll zoom way out for a look at the

podcast industry. This show might be dead, but is the podcast, writ large, dead as well.

Every production company is just trying to find talent

because they know that's the only way they can sell advertising in advance of production.

And this kind of comes back to the point about cereal and whether you could make cereal now.

All the advertisers want is Jason Bateman talking about your salad box.

Nick Hilton joins us for the final episode of Hear Me Out in just a moment. For the last time,

stay with us.

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Welcome back to hear me out. I'm Celeste Headley. If you are not in the podcasting and audio journalism business and we assume most of you are not. The mechanisms through which this

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