I'm John Bachelors speaking with Victor Davis Hanson, his new book is the dying citizen.

America's success is built on the middle classes and the middle class's success is built on the constitution of our founders for more than 200 years providing adequate checks and balances.

In the Constitution, however, is our pieces that are

under review or under pressure by voices here in the 21st Century.

Nullification.

Andrew Jackson, we all learned this in grade school.

Andrew Jackson, 1832.

The Civil War, 1857 to 1861, two instances of states, South Carolina with Jackson and the Confederacy

with the dreadscot to the secession of late 60, early 61, leading to the Civil War.

And then there was the nullification or attempted nullification

during the 50s and 60s in the civil rights strife in the South.

But now we've come to nullification today.

Victor I can't find anywhere a serious argument for sanctuary cities now that they're

sagging under the overwhelming number of immigrants who are arriving. The sanctuary cities the

overwhelming number of immigrants who are arriving. The sanctuary city suddenly won money from the

the central state. Are they rethinking this sanctuary virtue of these last years?

I think they are a little bit. There's 550

county, state, or municipal sanctuary cities and that's just a euphemism for

nullification of federal immigration law

where it says that if somebody is here illegally and commits a crime we're not going

to turn that person over to the immigration services but lately cases in San Francisco where people here

unlawfully have committed murder or child pornography or something of that

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