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HEADLINE: Jimmy Lai's Imprisonment Highlights UK's "Stovepiped" Diplomacy with China GUEST NAME: Mark Clifford 50 WORD SUMMARY: Jimmy Lai, a jailed British citizen and prominent Hong Kong dissident, is a litmus test for freedom. The Starmer government is

The John Batchelor Show

John Batchelor

Society & Culture, Arts, News, Books

4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 30 September 2025

⏱️ 9 minutes

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HEADLINE: Jimmy Lai's Imprisonment Highlights UK's "Stovepiped" Diplomacy with China GUEST NAME: Mark Clifford 50 WORD SUMMARY: Jimmy Lai, a jailed British citizen and prominent Hong Kong dissident, is a litmus test for freedom. The Starmer government is now showing movement, potentially working with the US for his release. The UK faces criticism for "stovepiping" diplomacy, failing to link Lai's freedom to economic issues, such as China's desired mega embassy. China asserts ownership over Lai based on his ethnicity.

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0:00.0

This is CBSI on the world. I'm John Batch with Gordon Chang, my colleague and co-host and friend,

0:08.5

Jimmy Lai, a hero to the people of Hong Kong and to the people of the free world,

0:15.4

jailed these many years, tried by the courts of the People's Republic of China

0:21.4

and about to be sentenced to whatever they consider appropriate for a man

0:26.7

who spoke of freedom once upon a time as a publisher in Hong Kong.

0:31.7

However, there is another plot twist.

0:36.9

We welcome Mark Clifford, the author of the new book I highly recommend to

0:41.1

catch up on this story or to stay even with it, The Troublemaker, how Jimmy Lai became a billionaire,

0:47.9

Hong Kong's greatest dissident, and China's Versus Critic. Mark, a very good evening to you.

0:54.4

The update here is the state visit, second in his presidency by Donald Trump,

0:59.7

to Windsor Castle, an elaborate display of empire.

1:03.7

The gold plates, the silver plates, the long table, hundreds of yards long,

1:10.2

the ceremony at a 13-acre stone pile called

1:13.9

Windsor Castle, all of that was the backdrop for some policy possibly.

1:19.2

We're learning from the London press now that the King spoke to the president fiercely about backing

1:27.4

Ukraine, and the English press believes that that

1:30.9

was persuasive. I did not see or hear any other topics for the king, but that is the king's

1:37.4

business. He's head of state. Head of government, however, Mr. Starrmer, who is under intense pressure from his own side with a vast

1:47.6

majority, is in a place to act given that Jimmy Lye is a British citizen. So, since the state

1:57.3

visit, have you seen anything positive from the Starmer government about Mr. Lai?

2:02.6

Good evening to you.

2:04.4

Well, good evening.

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