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This is CBSI on the world. I'm John Bres with my friend and colleague Gordon-Chang at Gordon-Gee-Chang.

And we're looking at yet another incidence in the Spratley Island area, the Philippines, part of the South China Sea, what could be a provocation, heretofore,

there was always a moment to say it was an accident.

However, at sea is a place where provocations happen traditionally, and they lead to bad

consequences.

For example, 31 October, 1941, the Rubin James, the USS Navy destroyer was positioned

off of Iceland between a German submarine known as U-552 and a supply ship, an ammunition ship in the convoy. The U-boat opened fire and the

Ruben James sank. October 1941, you're right, before Pearl Harbor, you're right. What happened?

The decision was made in Washington not to retaliate.

We know what happened two months later.

So, Jim, I raised that point because it's burned into your learning as a naval officer

that to duck your head and turn away from a provocation at this

scale invites worse. So I come to this question. The decision to ram, after the incident of

using the water cannon, would that have been in order directly from high command? Would they have,

the captain had time to call in and say, do you give me permission to do more or the Beijing

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