He Was Raised Shiite Muslim, but the Quran Led Him to Jesus…

The Deep End With Lecrae

Lecrae

Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 602 Ratings

🗓️ 16 April 2026

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

Former Muslim, attorney, and apologist Abdu Murray spent nine years studying Islam, Christianity, philosophy, and history. By year two, he had enough evidence to convert. It took seven more years to act on it.

In this conversation, Abdu and Lecrae go deep on why the cross does not insult God's greatness. It proves it. They explore how identity in Middle Eastern culture can make leaving Islam feel impossible, which Quran passages pointed Abdu toward the Bible, and what his nine-year search looked like from the inside.

They also discuss the identity crisis AI is quietly accelerating, why cancel culture is really assassination culture with better branding, why many people are missing the point in the gender conversation, and what it means to answer a person instead of a question.

Abdu also shares, for the first time in this conversation, that his father was murdered in October 2024. What Abdu says about that moment, and how it reshaped the way Abdu sees the problem of evil, is worth the whole episode.

Topics covered: Islam and Christianity, the problem of evil, apologetics, identity and the imago Dei, AI and human worth, gender ideology, just war theory, deconstruction, and what it costs to tell the truth when your whole family is watching.

Abdu Murray is the founder of Embrace the Truth Ministry, author of Fake ID, and host of multiple podcasts reaching millions globally.

Find Abdu at embracethetruth.org | @AbduMurray12 on Instagram

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0:00.0	I thought the Trinity, the incarnation, and the cross all insulted God's greatness. If God the Father is God, why does he need help from God the Son and God the Holy Spirit? The cross is like the ultimate insult to God's greatness because the God who can create the entire universe, subatomic particle, that God gets trapped in the body and dies at the hands of the very sinners he creates. Mm-hmm. Say, that was a great God. What's the aha moment for you where you're like, all right? All right.
0:23.0	I had the evidence for Islam stacked on my desk on the left side. The evidence for Christianity stacked on the right side of my desk. And I was playing a debate between a Christian and a Muslim on the resurrection of Jesus. And I remember asking God saying, why can't I accept this? Why can't I embrace this as true? My dad walked by,
0:38.8	and he smiled at me because I was such a studious Muslim. I remember thinking, I can't break my dad's
0:43.8	heart. Can't do it. I knew that in that moment, it wasn't, the evidence wasn't good enough,
0:48.8	is that I wasn't strong enough. For the Christian nationalist, so to speak, who says like, hey, we've got to send bombs
0:57.0	over into this nation because they're dangerous.
1:01.0	I will tell you, when I was becoming a Christian, that was a stumbling black for me.
1:06.0	Because people were telling me God loves everybody, and I'm like, well, he loves some people more than others.
1:14.2	This is the Deep End with La Cray.
1:22.5	All right, ladies and gentlemen, today we have the esteemed pleasure of speaking with Abdul Murray, who is a speaker and author, attorney based in Metro Detroit, who spent most of his life as a devout Muslim.
1:31.9	He had a nine-year investigation into history, philosophy, theology, and science, and it brought him face-to-face with the Christian faith.
1:40.6	He's a graduate of the University of Michigan with a BA in psychology and a JD in law.
1:48.5	Abdul practiced law at major Detroit firms.
1:52.5	Name one of the best lawyers in Michigan, you know, a Michigan super lawyer.
1:58.2	He is founded Embrace the Truth Ministry in 2004. He has debated and
2:03.4	dialogue at universities from Yale to Berkeley to institutions in Peru and Hong Kong. A man is an
2:09.8	apologist of apologist. He is a cultural and theological expert. He's authored multiple books,
2:20.6	including his forthcoming book or his recent book,
2:27.4	excuse me, fake ID, which talks about how AI and identity ideology are collapsing our reality.
2:36.2	He's a host of multiple podcasts, and they get millions of views globally, and he lives in metro Detroit with his with his family wife and three kids I'm mistaken yeah and so we are honored
2:43.0	to have this esteemed scholar in our presence there are just a million different questions
2:49.6	and things that we could lay before you.
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