He Helped Train ChatGPT. It Was Traumatizing. – With Richard Mathenge
Big Technology Podcast
Alex Kantrowitz
4.7 • 596 Ratings
🗓️ 17 May 2023
⏱️ 45 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | LinkedIn Presents. |
| 0:13.8 | Welcome to Big Technology podcast, a show for cool-headed, nuanced conversation of the tech world and beyond. |
| 0:20.5 | Richard Matanga is our guest today, and he's here to share the story of how large language |
| 0:25.1 | models like OpenAI's GPT model get trained because he and a team of colleagues in Africa |
| 0:30.8 | actually did it. |
| 0:32.6 | Matanga, who is based in Kenya, is a former team lead at SAMA, a company that's trained AI models on |
| 0:38.4 | behalf of companies like OpenAI, and his is a story you really need to hear. And fair warning, |
| 0:44.9 | there are parts of it that just are not pretty. While at SAMA, Metenga and his team reviewed |
| 0:49.8 | and rated texts based off of quality and explicitness to help make the product that you and I use |
| 0:55.3 | today a pleasant experience. This involved routine exposure to some extremely awful text, |
| 1:01.3 | which Matanga will describe here. In this conversation, he talks about the human side |
| 1:05.6 | of reinforcement learning with human feedback, which is the key advance that helps make |
| 1:10.3 | these models so impressive. |
| 1:12.7 | Too often, the human element of that advance is left out. And so today, Metenga's going to share |
| 1:18.2 | it. He's going to share his story of how he and his colleagues, needing work in a pandemic-wrecked |
| 1:22.8 | economy, found themselves at the ugly center of one of this generation's biggest technological advances. |
| 1:30.2 | My conversation with Richard Metanga coming up right after this. |
| 1:35.0 | Hey, I'm Michael Kovnet, host of The Next Big Idea Daily. |
| 1:38.7 | The show is a masterclass in Better Living from some of the smartest writers around. |
| 1:43.4 | Every morning, Monday through Friday, we'll serve up a quick 10-minute lesson on how to |
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