Well, we're told throughout scripture to choose joy, but how in the world can you do that

when you're overwhelmed by the responsibility of being a parent?

I'm John Fuller along with Dr Danny where to who heads up our parenting

team and Danny joyfulness. I think some people just come by this naturally. I

used to think I was kind of joyful and then I hung around with people who are really joyful and I realized I'm not.

So in your relationship in the home who's the most joyful?

This is a dangerous question, John, if my wife's listening, right?

Depending on where I go with this. Really I'm... John if my wife's listening. Okay.

Depending on where I go with this, what really I'm...

Well, the answer would be Heather.

Heather, that's right.

If she's listening.

I'm really more the optimist and she would, she would completely say that.

She's more on the pessimistic side and she's very task focused.

And so sometimes when you're very task focused you lose joy in life and

that's a true thing. Some personalities are much more about the tasks and they never

go away they really are relentless when you become a parent and so as a mom I would say

she's carried more that load of the day-to-day details and very detail-focused.

And I'm more of the relational type and so joyfulness comes more naturally on the

relational side and I've enjoyed that but we've encouraged each other and I would say that we

balance one another well. There have been there have been moments where she's

helped me really gain perspective on life and so I'm thankful for her and I would say that joyfulness in

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