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It is three minutes after 10. Let me just run something by you as an illustration perhaps of a rarely noted problem. What do you think the

current casualty count for Russia alone is as a consequence of the Ukraine war? Just have a swing

at it. And obviously, if you know the answer to this, then you are the exception that

perhaps proves the rule that I'm about to observe. I was asked that question earlier today,

and my answer was a quarter of a million. I got a little bit confused because I thought it

meant deaths, but the question was actually casualties.

But either way, what would you say the total casualties, including deaths, was?

It's about a million.

So there's a study that came out in June from the US-based Centre for Strategic and International Studies.

It's very hard to get accurate figures, particularly from the Russian side. It's much easier from the Ukrainian side, where it is estimated that

between 60 and 100,000 people have been killed and 400,000 casualties have been recorded.

So, and it is about a quarter of a million deaths for the Russian military. So you've got,

give or take, one and a half million human casualties in this war. And that was from the end of

June, so it will be a little higher now. And it's on VJ day, on the 80th anniversary of VJ day, it's easy, isn't it, to, I forget the exact quote, but the idea that there's a point at which a number becomes too big to properly process.

Do you know what I mean? It's much easier to conceive of figures that we can visualize. You know, if you imagine a classroom full of people,

a studio full of people, a building, an office full of people, you can get your head around that.

It's why journalists often reach for quite strange metrics. Double-decker buses are always used,

aren't they, to convey space or distance, or it's four Wembley's, or we use football stadium,

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