Hello everybody, this is Ben Greenfeld.

This is kind of a weird podcast today

because I didn't expect it to be as good

as it actually turned out to be.

I got this really smart guy on the show

who was gonna talk about natural killer cells,

which sounds like a really dorky show,

but it actually turned into this amazing discussion

about enhancing longevity and improving physical performance

and a whole lot more.

So this guy's name is Dr. Jonathan Clinton Thorn

and it's actually in my humble opinion,

a really good episode.

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