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This Jungian Life Podcast

Hans Christian Andersen: Persona & Personhood

This Jungian Life Podcast

Joseph Lee, Deborah Stewart, Lisa Marchiano

Jungian, Mental Health, Health & Fitness, Psychology, Dreams, Jung, Relationships, Selfhelp, Society & Culture, Psychoanalysis

4.81.7K Ratings

🗓️ 2 June 2022

⏱️ 86 minutes

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Summary

While many of Hans Christian Andersen’s 19th-century stories have moralizing motifs, their universality and depth places them among ageless fairy tales. Although The Princess and the Pea and The Emperor’s New Clothes are social satire, they also depict psychic dynamics. A young prince searches but cannot find a mate—until a princess arrives one stormy night, soaking wet and mind-blowingly over-sensitive. Do opposites attract, or are they only contrasting representations of superficiality and entitlement? Andersen’s pen next delivers the famous emperor an even more pointed jab: a child, innocent of the contrivances of social status, blurts truth: he has no clothes! Perhaps each of us has an inner emperor whose shadow is on unwitting public display—and a wise child. If Andersen has little regard for self-aggrandizing conceits, The Ugly Duckling depicts compassion for suffering and the downtrodden. Despite abuse and exile, the ugly duckling responds to springtime’s jubilant beauty. He takes wing, answering the call to transcendence—which reveals his transformation. Swans are the divine bird—a royalty we may rightly aspire to. 

Here’s The Dream We Analyze:

“I am walking and see a headlight lying on the road (on a bridge) and a baby crawling beside it--the baby narrowly escapes from being hit by cars. I see a black and red Bugatti parked (owner of the headlight) and denounce the driver to my football coach, who is also a policeman. I remember the car’s number plate. I get a lot of attention due to this, and I greatly enjoy this. I start murdering people to get more attention. The first murder is with a pistol, the second with a revolver. I try to steal a gun from the football cafeteria for the third one, but I fear being found out by my trainer/policeman, so I end up throwing the gun into the changing room. I confess to him that I am the murderer. My trainer accompanies me to a field nearby where some of my classmates from school are celebrating my birthday. There is a pool. On our way there, I explain to my trainer that I committed those murders because I had become addicted to the attention and adrenaline. It is dark, and suddenly my trainer starts walking faster. There is a donkey chasing us. We manage to evade it and climb the fence. The donkey jumps over the fence and attacks me. I crawl underneath the fence and arrive at the spot where my classmates are.”

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to this Jungian life. Three good friends and Jungian analysts, Lisa Marchiano,

0:07.1

Deborah Stewart, and Joseph Lee invite you to join them for an intimate and honest conversation

0:12.3

that brings a psychological perspective to important issues of the day. I'm Lisa Marchiano,

0:20.1

and I'm a Jungian analyst in Philadelphia. I'm Joseph Lee, and I'm a Jungian analyst in Philadelphia.

0:22.5

I'm Joseph Lee and I'm a Jungian analyst in Virginia Beach, Virginia.

0:27.5

I'm Deborah Stewart, a Jungian analyst on Cape Cod.

0:37.2

Today, Joseph and I are going to discuss a fairy tale and reference a couple of others from Hans Christian Anderson.

0:49.4

Lisa can't be with us today.

0:51.6

So Joseph and I are going to look at these tales that have acquired the status of fairy tales.

1:01.4

Even though they were written far more recently, Hans Christian Anderson had an ability

1:09.7

to tap into the mythic layer, the mythopoetic layer of the collective unconscious

1:17.6

in a way that has been widely recognized. And so we are going to take a look at one of his

1:25.0

short stories first, the Princess and the P, and Joseph is going to read it to us, so sit back and enjoy the tale.

1:35.4

There was once a prince who wanted to marry a princess, but she must be a real princess, mind you.

1:43.2

So he traveled all around the world, seeking such a one,

1:47.2

but everywhere something was in his way. Not that there was any lack of princesses, but he could

1:55.0

not seem to make out whether they were real princesses. there was always something not quite satisfactory.

2:04.2

Therefore home he came again, quite out of spirits, for he wished so much to marry a real princess.

2:13.6

One evening a terrible storm came on.

2:16.4

It thundered and lighteninged, and the rain poured down.

2:21.8

Indeed, it was quite fearful. In the midst of it, there came a knock at the town gate,

2:27.9

and the old king went to open it. It was a princess who stood outside. But oh dear, what a state she was in

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