Hi, everyone and welcome to this latest episode of the U-Kis Itel podcast.

Today, our guest is Hannah Ritchie, who is a data scientist and science communicator.

She is a lead researcher, our world in data. And before we go

any further, do go to our world in data because their stuff is absolutely fascinating. But we're not

going to talk, well, we might talk a bit about our world in data. We're going to talk about Hannah's

new book, not the end of the world, how we can be the first generation to build a sustainable

planet. Hannah, welcome.

It's great to be here. Thanks very much for having me. Not at all. Now, it's a really enjoyable book,

and it's slightly surprising book, because in a sense, it's quite a positive, optimistic book

about the climate and the planet, isn't it?

I think, yeah, I think if you put it on the spectrum of climate books out there, I think it very much sits towards the optimism side.

Like, I think I always caveat it with a, it's what I term is like cautious optimism or

impatient optimism.

It's not necessarily this optimism that, you know, everything's going fine and everything

will turn out fine. I think it's more the case that climate and other environmental problems

that I cover in the book are big problems, obviously, but we actually can make progress on them

and there are solutions there if we want to take that path.

You sort of argue in the book that we're probably doing a lot better than many

people think. Is that fair? I think that's fair. I think if you ask people, are we making any

progress on climate change? I think most people would say, you know, we haven't made any progress

over the last few decades. And while, you know, our progress is far too slow, I think, I think

that's a wrong statement. I think if you look at many of the developments, we are starting

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