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it is Tuesday october 14th 2025 welcome back to Up and Listen, the sports podcast here at Slate.

Back with you again this week. I'm Alex Kirchner. I'm a contributing writer for Slate, and I co-host

Split Zone Duo, a college football podcast. This week on the program, we've got a big show for you.

We're going to learn about a standoff between UEFA, the governing body of international soccer in Europe and Israel. That may now be diffused, but we'll see. Going forward,

we're going to talk to the Times journalist Martin Ziegler about how this fight came to happen.

We will welcome back sports business reporter Ken Belson of the New York Times to talk about the

continued storm. It doesn't end around the NFL and its selection

of a Super Bowl halftime performer, Bad Bunny. We will check in on the ongoing baseball playoffs

with both league championship series going on right now. And we'll talk about new developments

in the college football coaching buyout industrial complex after Penn State moved to fire

its longtime head coach James Franklin

in a shocker. As usual, joining me this week is Lindsay Gibbs, the publisher of PowerPlays,

a newsletter covering the key stories of the moment in women's sports in the women's sports lead

at CBS Sports. Lindsay, how are you? I'm doing great. Aces cemented their dynasty. WMBA finals are over. It was quite the season, and I'll be honest, I did not mind the sweep. Worklet-wise, I got to watch a full Panthers game start to finish over the weekend, and it was a fun one to watch. Yes, I bet that was fun. You get to play the Miami Dolphins. It should always be fun. No, no, no. It's better, Alex. We got to, we beat the Dallas Cowboys. Sorry, the Dolphins was the other week. I'm not, that's, that's two in a row for the Panthers. It's called a winning streak. Yeah. I know. I had to look it up. I had to look it up.

Don't let the Panthers get hot. They're hot. It's happening. And of course, we have Ben Lindbergh with us. Ben is a senior editor for The Ringer and co-hosts the Effect of the Wild baseball podcast. Ben, are you a big dumping? Very much so. still mentally emotionally recovering from Friday night's 15-inning affair, despite not being a Mariners fan or a Tigers fan. I felt like I was somehow a fan of both of them. That's how high stakes and huge and never-ending that game felt. Playoff baseball is very intense. I don't have a lot of first-hand experience with it, given the pirates of it all. But I have felt it in my bones watching games. I went to game four of Dodgers Phillies as a fan

last week and was nibbling on fingernails until the Phillies blew that game in one of the more

catastrophic fashions imaginable. Yes. I would put it second only perhaps to the hockey playoffs when it

comes to anxiety induced. I think there's a good case to be made. That can even be number one.

Yeah. When you're a fan of a team involved. But yeah, for neutrals, I think the thing about the

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