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Unpacking Israeli History

Hamas, Israel, and the Future of Gaza: A Conversation with Ahmed Fouad Alkatib (Part 2)

Unpacking Israeli History

Unpacked

Society & Culture, Judaism, History, Religion & Spirituality

4.81.3K Ratings

🗓️ 25 March 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

Host Noam Weissman continues a powerful conversation with Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib, a Palestinian voice offering deep, honest insights into Gaza’s past, present, and future. In part 2, Ahmed shares personal stories, critiques both Hamas and the Palestinian Authority, and offers a compelling vision for a post-Hamas Gaza. From the rise of Hamas, the failure of Palestinian governance, and the missed opportunity to build a thriving Palestinian state, to the devastating impact of October 7th, this episode explores the complexities behind one of the world’s most misunderstood regions. Ahmed Fouad Alkatib is the director of Realign for Palestine. Ahmed is also on Instagram and X. Follow Unpacking Israeli History on Instagram and check us out on youtube. Please note that our email address has changed. You can now email noam@unpacked.media. This podcast was brought to you by Unpacked, a division of OpenDor Media. ------------------- For other podcasts from Unpacked, check out: Jewish History Nerds Soulful Jewish Living Stars of David with Elon Gold Wondering Jews

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0:00.0

Hey, I'm Noam Weissman and you're listening to Unpacking Israeli History, the podcast that takes a deep dive into some of the most intense, historically fascinating, and often misunderstood events and stories linked to Israeli history.

0:12.3

As always, I love hearing from you.

0:14.3

So shoot me a note, email me, hit me up, be in touch with me.

0:19.0

Noam at Jewishunpack.com.

0:21.0

If you listen to last week's episode of unpacking Israeli history, you already know

0:26.1

what I'm about to say.

0:27.5

This week's episode is a part two of such an important conversation that I had with

0:33.4

my friend Ahmed Ful al-Al-Qatim.

0:35.7

If you're new and you didn't listen to part one, first of all, it's very strange to listen to

0:41.7

part 2 of something that has a part 1.

0:44.8

So what you should do is go back to Part 1 and then listen to this episode.

0:49.7

But if you need a refresher, Ahmed is a member of the DC-based think tank, the Atlantic Council,

0:55.9

and a frequent pundit and critic of Hamas, along with Israel and U.S. policy.

1:01.7

In this episode, I want to do the following.

1:05.5

I want to focus on the present, how we got to the present, and the future of Gaza.

1:11.6

So let's dive in.

1:12.8

Yala, let's do this.

1:16.0

We, the people of Israel, are prepared and anxious to meet the representatives of our neighbors without any preconditions.

1:35.3

There are people in Israel and elsewhere say it's impossible to make peace between the Arabs and Israel or the Jewish people.

1:43.4

I think they're home.

1:46.8

Ahmed, welcome back.

1:48.0

Thank you for having me again.

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