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spooky talks here on a UFO podcast of all things. So we're going to that aspect a little later because I want to get your thoughts on other stuff to you

But I should mention I am here with Alex Lamay from living for the Dead, a wonderful show that came and went. We will get to that Alex because I think we got to get a little campaign going but um thank you thank you for

joining me on somewhere in the spooky skies I'm calling it this month

thank you for letting me be on this podcast.

I mean, I love your work, so I appreciate it.

Oh, thank you.

Well, look, I'm sort of the, I would say the amateur when it comes to the paranormal and ghost hunting.

So I'm looking at this interview more as a learning process for me to be completely honest.

So this is cool. This is October, every October I like to do at least one, two, 10, 30 episodes where I interview ghost hunters. I shouldn't call them hunters I let's start there I think that's an interesting way to start

Ghost hunting for me that kind of conjures a bad image of like some guy in

camo in the woods like trying to shoot an entity or something but um and I think we should remove ourselves from that because

I mean when I was a kid I used to hunt bugs but I didn't kill them you know that I think the word hunting people assume is like a violent thing but it's just a way to

capture something and I think the word ghost hunting is cute because it's kind of vintage.

Like it sounds vintage to me.

That's true, that's true.

And I feel like the first kind of mainstream,

I guess, paranormal television show was literally called Ghost Hunters.

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