Welcome to the Midas Touch Legal AF podcast. If it's Saturday, it is Legal AF Live. If it's Sunday, it is Legal AF Ben.

I'm doing really great. I'm doing really great today Ben. So good to see you. I'm really excited for this one. I saw the lineup that you put together, you know, that we cultivated for today's today's show. I really like it. Now let's see if we can get our Legal AF Law School graduates or future graduates.

Our future graduates to like it too. It was so funny. Pope, whenever I do the intro. I'm always thinking which nickname should I throw at you today? Should I go?

Popokian. Is it popokian? Is isms? And so I love the engagement. I love the new Legal AF merch by the way that everybody seems to love. I think it was the right move to move away from.

I think we had the legal analysis friends, which is what the AF stands for and just go legal AF people love that merchant. I think I saw somebody wearing it the other day actually out here in California when I was going to a farmer's market. It was super cool to see a legal F.A.

That will be that will be the highlight of my day. Oh, by the way, there is a growing ground swell for what you coined, which was the legal AF effort or effort for life as one of our major followers says, no, it's great. And listen, we got to embrace the logo. It's a little cheeky.

But but the title was a little cheeky when you and I came up with it. So it wasn't we should like run away from it. We got to embrace it. I love it. Yeah.

And I like, I like to merge legal AF or you illegal you illegal AF or as everybody knows the legal AFers know the popokians know here on legal AF. We like to break down the pressing legal issues in digestible ways. You could understand.

So you could also learn the law as we discuss these issues, the complexities within the law, but we try to break it down in simple ways. The first item that I want to discuss is it goes into the fact why the legal profession are such stewards of our democracy.

And why it is so critical and so vital for lawyers to uphold their legal oaths, their oaths to protect and defend the law and the Constitution.

And it's the fact that in this new book peril by Bob Woodward always gets incredible scoops Bob.

But in this new book, he has people saying how Trump was complaining that the only lawyer that Trump could hire to deal with all these bullshit cases that they wanted to file.

The best he could really do was Rudy Giuliani because quote none of these sane lawyers would represent a man. It wasn't just Rudy Giuliani. There was a lot of other lawyers who were kind of of that elk who decided to represent Trump.

But there were efforts at the very beginning, Pope, you might recall of some large firms that were determining whether they wanted to help Trump and to help the GQP in these fake cases that they were bringing in federal courts to try to overturn the elections in a democratic process that was a free and fair election.

I just touched you may recall made a video for those who want to go back and check it out called shame on Jones Day. I just checked it out. It has about 1.7 million views and Jones Day is a large law firm, very good law firm with a lot of great lawyers, a lot of lawyers I know and who I'm friends with, who appreciated that we made the video, you know, and told me privately, great job on that video.

There were certain people who were doing that case Jones Day had a withdraw from that case and didn't pursue any more action in these election fraud cases Jones Day made their Twitter completely private and to this day that was like back in November, I just checked it out again.

They still have if you go on their Twitter, you can't interact with them like they've disabled all comments, you know, which is still weird like you're a large international law firm that is representing major corporations and major figures.

Yeah, I mean, and a negative comment on there, but they had some good lawyers, but I think this, you know, this story basically shows, I think it was Trump being quoted, he's crazy. He says crazy shit, I get it, but none of the saying lawyers can represent me because they've been pressured.

The actual lawyers have been told they cannot represent the actual lawyers won't take my case. I have to use Rudy.

Exactly. And look, I think that shows Popak, the work of the Midas mighty, you know, and you have to sometimes pressure lawyers to do the right thing and the duty that we have as lawyers to do the right thing is paramount and I think it's fine and would love to get your take like I'm okay with lawyers representing people who are accused of crimes everyone has the right to a lawyer.

You go back to, you know, the very founding of our country with John Adams, you know, representing British troops who were charged in the Boston massacre.

And you want to provide that level of representation to people, but I don't think you should be able to overturn the constitution, which is what those Trump efforts work.

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