Instead of giving yourself this really high bar of I have to find passion with a capital P,

I think you find interests, lowercase I.

And interest means you scratch these itches.

It may be podcasting.

It may be social media.

It may be graphics.

It may be surfing.

It may be photography.

Who knows? But at the time you start these things, don't say, is this a passion? It's just an itch and you just scratch a lot

of itches and some of them will turn out into passions. But you won't know that up front. And don't, don't, don't get into a fixed mindset that

you need to find your passion young and dedicate yourself to that. You need to do sampling,

a lot of sampling. That little bit of wisdom was from my dear friend Guy Kawasaki. Now, if you are not familiar with

Guy in his work, I give you a little color here. He is the author of 16 amazing books. And we do

have a long history. He was the person who helped me understand at first from the outside what made Silicon Valley tick.

He was indeed the first person to introduce me to the world of Silicon Valley entrepreneurs and

venture capitalists. He helped me secure attention for what would become creative lives.

So indeed, I owe Guy a huge debt of gratitude for helping me understand that new world

and operate.

But it was because I had a good product.

And it was because I was interested, I believe, in making something remarkable.

And that is the subject of today's show. He has a new book out. It's called

Think Remarkable, which is a subset of his longstanding podcast where he's interviewed hundreds of

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