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Hello and welcome to the latest episode of Full Disclosure with me, James O'Brien.

This is the bit where I normally say something slightly glib about having set up the whole project

in order to meet somebody famous who I haven't had the pleasure of meeting before.

This week's episode is rather different for reasons that will become clear.

I'm joined by Gulwali Pasale, who is of Afghan origin, but who made his way to this country. It's a

torturous journey of which we will hear more, at least part of which was spent in the

back of a refrigerated lorry, an experience which you don't need me to tell you,

has become somewhat front and centre in the British news

for the most tragic of reasons in recent weeks.

And we both thought, because our paths have crossed before,

that this would be a timely moment to properly explore and examine just how

people could end up in such a parlous situation. Gulwali, welcome. Thank you, James. So let's not

begin with the beginning of the journey. Let's begin instead with the beginning of your life. You were 12 when

you left home. What was home like prior to that before Afghanistan became a place you would

want to flee? Do you have any memories of happy times? Sure. So I grew up living in eastern Afghanistan with my grandparents in the mountains.

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