Guest Name: Cliff May • Affiliation: Founder and President of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies • Summary: The conversation challenges current energy policies, noting that fossil fuels still provide over 81% of global energy despite decades of ren
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🗓️ 5 September 2025
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• Affiliation: Founder and President of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies
• Summary: The conversation challenges current energy policies, noting that fossil fuels still provide over 81% of global energy despite decades of renewables promotion. Cliff May argues that climate policy often weakens the US while adversaries like China and Russia continue to rely on coal and hydrocarbons without climate concerns. He emphasizes energy security as intrinsic to national security, criticizing government subsidies as ineffective and prone to cronyism.
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| 0:24.0 | This is CBSI and the world. I'm John Batchel. Energy Policy. I welcome Cliff May, the founder |
| 0:29.7 | and president of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. Energy policy is a broad term. |
| 0:35.5 | It can include climate policy. |
| 0:46.1 | And that can include the understanding that because of fossil fuel, the planet as we know it, is under risk. |
| 0:48.0 | And we might be too. |
| 0:50.3 | That's the general theory, very general. |
| 0:56.4 | When it comes to policy, however, costs money to buy rum. So I go to Cliff because right now there's a debate underway in the Trump administration following a debate in the Biden |
| 1:02.3 | and Obama and Bush administration about fossil fuel and what are the alternatives. Cliff, I know |
| 1:09.8 | numbers don't convince people, |
| 1:11.5 | but I'm going to go right to the number. |
| 1:13.6 | The percentage of energy derived from fossil fuels |
| 1:17.6 | once upon a time and today, |
| 1:19.6 | you compare and contrast. |
| 1:21.5 | After all these years of solar and wind |
| 1:23.9 | and other forms of energy production, |
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