Welcome to Current Affairs. My name is Data Robinson. I am the editor-in-chief of Current Affairs Magazine.

I have two distinguished guests with me today. First, we are joined by Alana Odoms. She is the executive director of the ACLU of Louisiana, and one of the most distinguished civil rights attorneys in the state of

Louisiana previously served as director of the Division of Children Families. Deputy General

Council in Louisiana Supreme Court, she co-chaired the statewide effort to reduce incarceration

of children through the Juvenile Detention Alternatives Initiative. and she's also served on a special counsel to

Louisiana's justice reinvestment task force. Alana, welcome to current affairs.

Thank you so much. We are also joined by Nika Sunshong. She is founder and special advisor

to the fund for guaranteed income. She also recently, as of only a few days ago, became a doctor of philosophy at Oxford

University, upon which we congratulate her.

And she serves on the board of the Committee to Protect Journalists at one fair wage.

And she also recently became the publisher of the fantastic news outlet,

one of the best in the country DropSight News, who are doing excellent work.

Nika, welcome to current affairs.

Thank you so much.

Thank you for having you.

Now, we are here today because you had a collaboration recently between the ACLU of Louisiana, Lana, your organization and Nika, your organization, the fund for guaranteed income.

And it's a really, really fascinating project that you did together.

You just produced this report, the cost of

freedom, truth and the reconciliation, guaranteed income program piloting paths to reparations.

And this report touches on so many things from, you know, the history of slavery and mass

incarceration in America to the question of how reparations can be provided, to discussions about

UBI and where we go from here and how we achieve real justice. But before that, I wanted to give

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