GRP 127-An American Spy Master: The former Director of Overseas Operations for the CIA Jack Devine

Global Recon

John Hendricks

Government

4.8 • 592 Ratings

🗓️ 18 April 2019

⏱️ 71 minutes

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We have a very special guest for this episode. Former Director of Overseas Operations for the Central Intelligence Agency, Jack Devine. Mr. Devine served with the agency for over 30 years, working some of the most impactful operations during that time. We discussed his interactions with KGB Spy Aldrich Ames, from the beginning of his career until they met again when Jack was the station chief in Rome. Jack ran a covert operation arming the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan during the 1980s in their war against the Soviet Union, which eventually led to USSR's defeat. We discussed the role of politics in the intelligence world and many other topics. Enjoy. 0:00-Intro discussing some of the damage done by Soviet Spy Aldrich Ames, and the results of the covert CIA program arming the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan against the Soviets 9:03-Jack Devine’s interactions with KGB spy Aldrich Ames during the beginning of his CIA career, as well as his interactions with him 20 years later when Devine was the CIA station chief of Rome. 31:14-The politicization of intelligence 40:13-The military coup of 1973 by Chilean General Pinochet 48:45-Charlie Wilsons War: Running covert operations in the 1980s against the Russians in Afghanistan I Want to give a quick thank you to our sponsorBlinkist. Blinkist is the only app that takes the best key takeaways, the need-to-know information from thousands of nonfiction books, and condenses it down into just 15 minutes so you can read -or- listen. Go to www.Blinkist.com/Recon for a free 7-day trial Follow Global Recon below: www.Globalrecon.net https://www.instagram.com/igrecon https://www.instagram.com/blackopsmatter www.twitter.com/igrecon https://www.facebook.com/GlobalReconPodcast/ Chantel Taylor: https://www.instagram.com/mission_critical https://www.instagram.com/altern8rv Tim Kolczak:www.thevetsproject.com www.instagram.com/theveteransproject

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0:00.0	In fact, throughout the 80s, the CIA had been carefully establishing agents within Soviet intelligence and defense circles.
0:08.0	Pressure sources, like avionics expert, Adolf Tolkachev, seen here on his way to a meeting in Moscow with his CIA contact.
0:17.0	The KGB suddenly started to arrest the CIA's most important Soviet spies.
0:22.6	In 1985, we began to lose cases, by which I mean Soviet officials, working for us, and some of them disappeared.
0:33.6	Then the West lost General Dimitri Polyakov of Soviet military intelligence.
0:40.3	Polyakov had retired after 18 years of spying when the KGB pounced.
0:47.3	He had been recruited while at the United Nations in New York.
0:53.3	Paul Yaakov was our crown jewel.
0:56.7	He worked for us for so many years, and he achieved such a rank that rather than us
1:05.4	looking at an organization through the eyes of one of our sources, looking at that organization
1:10.4	from the bottom up.
1:13.1	With Poliakov, eventually we were able to look at that organization, the GRU, his organization,
1:19.4	from the top down, as well as look at the KGB and the Soviet Ministry of Foreign Affairs
1:24.9	and the Communist Party apparatus.
1:29.4	In 1991, Sandy Grimes joined the team investigating the CIA's agent losses.
1:35.6	In charge, Jean Vertefay, now suspicious there was a KGB mole in their ranks. Mole Hunt took three years, homing in on CIA counterintelligence officer Aldrich Ames.
1:53.0	The FBI filmed him secretly in Bogotar in 1993.
1:57.0	The FBI staked out Ames' house and tapped his phones.
2:01.6	The breakthrough had come from CIA analysis of his bank statements.
2:05.6	On the 21st of February in 1994, Ames was arrested for spying,
2:10.6	along with his wife Rosario, after years of high living.
2:20.3	One weapon could do the job. A handheld heat-seeking missile called the Stinger.
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