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Welcome to That's What She Said with Sarah Spain, a podcast about

well whatever the hell I want, actors and musicians, athletes, comedians, neuroscientists,

wine experts. If I find somebody interesting, I'm bringing them to you. We'll talk about how they

became who they are, how they found success, battled failures, and how they ended up here talking to me.

I'm Ivan Mayzel and my dilemma is I just made Sarah wait 21 minutes to start this podcast because

I'm disorganized. Well regular listeners will know I am the queen of trying to find solutions for

disorganization, scheduling, time management, all of that stuff. But it's later revealed in my

conversation with Ivan that his tardiness was the result of a conversation far more important

than ours. So no advice Ivan, it seems like you're choosing wisely and we still had plenty of time

to talk about your book and your message and your gift to others who are grieving. So it all worked

out no stress. That's what she said. Hey everybody, today's episode deals with the topic of suicide.

If you or someone you know is in crisis or just needs to talk, you can call the National Suicide

Prevention Lifeline at 1-800-273-TALK or text the crisis text line just text hello to 741-741.

Both services are free and available 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Today's guest is Ivan

Mayzel, the vice president of editorial and senior writer at on3.com. He covered college football

for nearly four decades at ESPN Sports Illustrated News Day and the Dallas Morning News before on 3.com.

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