Greg Johnsen and Scott Anderson on the Fight Against the Houthis

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🗓️ 16 January 2024

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Over the last two months, Houthi militants have waged more than 27 attacks against merchant shipping and U.S. and partner forces in the Red Sea, the Gulf of Aden, and the Bab al-Mandeb Strait, purportedly in response to the war in Gaza. These attacks have significantly disrupted global shipping and surged the Middle East into an even more precarious security situation. Following a large-scale Houthi attack on U.S. and British ships, the U.S. and U.K. on Jan. 11 launched over 150 munitions targeting almost 30 Houthi sites in Yemen. The U.S. on Jan. 12 carried out another strike on a Houthi radar facility. The Houthis have since retaliated with multiple strikes targeting U.S. forces. Yesterday, the Houthis for the first time successfully struck a cargo ship owned and operated by the United States.

Lawfare Research Fellow Matt Gluck sat down with Gregory Johnsen, the Associate Director of the Institute for Future Conflict at the U.S. Air Force Academy and Lawfare Senior Editor Scott R. Anderson to discuss the spate of Houthi attacks, the U.S. response and the associated domestic and international law questions, and where the fighting is likely to go from here. What can history tell us about the possible paths forward? Why did the U.S. act when it did? What’s in it for the Houthis? They chewed over these questions and more.

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1:14.3	broader war and I think we're sort of on that path right now in that the
1:19.2	Hutis are going to respond and then the US will respond again and where do you draw the line or how do you
1:24.6	degrade the hoothe sufficiently so that either they no longer have the desire or
1:29.2	they no longer have the capacity to carry out these attacks and I think we're a long long way from that right now.
1:36.0	I'm Matt Gluck, research fellow at Law Fair and this is the Law Fair podcast January 16th, 2024.
1:43.0	Over the last two months, Huti militants have waged more than 27 attacks against
1:48.0	merchant shipping and U.S. and partner forces in the Red Sea, the Gulf of Aidan, and the Bob Al-Mandab straight, purportedly in response
1:55.7	to the war in Gaza.
1:57.5	These attacks have significantly disrupted global shipping and surge the Middle East into an even more precarious security situation.
2:04.3	Following a large-scale Huti attack on U.S. and British ships, the U.S. and UK on January
2:10.0	11th launched over 150 munitions targeting almost 30 Huti sites in Yemen.
2:15.3	The US on January 12th carried out another strike on a Huti radar facility.
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