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Fascinating People Fascinating Places

Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland

Fascinating People Fascinating Places

Daniel Mainwaring

Documentary, Society & Culture:documentary, History, Society & Culture

51.1K Ratings

🗓️ 26 March 2022

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

In the Spring of 2019, Scottish police launched investigations into incidents at two football matches. In the first, Aberdeen fans were accused of using colorful language to suggest that English football manager Steven Gerrard was an Orange man. A few weeks later, Aberdeen’s own manager Derek McInnes was targeted with similar chants from Celtic fans. The fact that fans from Aberdeen – a largely secular city could find themselves on either side of this type of incident is indicative of the fact that many of us have little understanding of the subject. For one thing, when you remove the accompanying pejoratives, any actual member of the Orange Order would be quite proud of his membership and his heritage. But it’s this kind of conflict, based around misunderstanding and prejudice that I was all too familiar with having grown up in the 1980s. On one hand, we saw in the news how the IRA a nominally Catholic terrorist group would plant bombs and do battle with nominally protestant groups like the UVF. But somehow, in the back and forth, amid accusations of doing right and wrong, a group of people known as the Orange Order would get drawn into the conflict seemingly just for holding commemorative marches. Meanwhile, outspoken firebrand protestant politician Ian Paisley was often held up by rivals as the archetypal Orange man even though he had long since left the group. Incidentally, the apparently extremist Paisley went on to form a close friendship with former IRA leader Martin McGuinness. The stereotypes you hear are of presbyterian, Scots Irish doing battle with Irish Catholics. But anyone with even a cursory knowledge of Irish history could tell you this was an inaccurate oversimplification. As someone with mixed Irish and English, Catholic, and Protestant heritage, I’ve always been curious to learn more about the Orange Order. Who they are, what are their origins, and what they actually believe. And above all, to understand the group in the context of its origins versus what it represents today. I was fortunate enough to find an expert in the field. Dr. Jonathan Mattison, Curator of the Museum of Orange Heritage. Music from Pixabay.com — Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/daniel-mainwaring5/message

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0:00.0

Fascinating people, fascinating places.

0:04.0

G'da and welcome to the Dan Mainwearing podcast.

0:08.0

This is where we talk to and about the famous and the infamous,

0:12.0

the celebrated and the obscure, the well known and the undiscovered,

0:17.0

interviews, articles and discussions from around the globe.

0:21.5

In the spring of 2019, Scottish police launched investigations into incidents at two football matches.

0:28.0

In the first, Aberdeen fans were accused of using colourful language to suggest that English football manager Stephen Gerard was an orange man.

0:38.0

A few weeks later, Aberdeen's own manager, Derek McKinnis, was targeted with similar chance from Celtic fans.

0:46.5

The fact that fans from Aberdeen, a largely secular city, could find themselves on either side of this type of incident is indicative of the fact

0:56.1

that many of us have little understanding of the subject.

0:59.9

For one thing, when you remove the accompanying pejorative, any actual member of the Orange Order

1:05.8

would be quite proud of his membership and his heritage.

1:09.6

But it's this kind of conflict, based around misunderstanding and prejudice that I was all too familiar with having grown up in the 1980s.

1:18.0

On one hand, we saw in the news how the IRA, a nominally Catholic terrorist group, the plant bombs. the But somehow in the back and forth, the mid accusations of doing right and wrong,

1:35.2

the group of people, known as the orange oil, would get drawn into the conflict,

1:39.5

seemingly just beholding commemorative marches. Meanwhile, outspoken firebrand Protestant politician, Ian Paisley, was often held

1:48.6

up by rivals as the architiable orange mirror, even though he had long since lovely group.

1:55.0

Incidentally, the apparently extremist Paisley went on to form a close relationship

2:00.5

with former fire-array, Martin McGuinness.

2:04.0

The stereotypes you hear are of Presbyterians Scots-Irish doing battle with Irish Catholics.

2:11.0

But anyone with even a cursory knowledge of Irish history could tell you this was an

2:15.3

inaccurate oversimplification.

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