Welcome to another episode of The All In interview. I'm really excited to be joined by back to All In, Harvard professor Graham Allison. Professor Allison, welcome back to All In. Thanks for having me. We last had you at the summit in Los Angeles. So it's great to have a conversation. A lot's happened since we last got together. For the audience, Graham Allison's the founding dean of the Harvard Kennedy School.

He's advised every Secretary of Defense since Kessinger.

He's helped dismantle 12,000 Soviet nuclear weapons, and his book, Destined for War, remains

the definitive framework for understanding the U.S.-China relationship.

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Let's start with Iran. The U.S. and Israel are in the middle of an attack on Iran, and the Supreme

leader is dead, but the regime is still holding on to power. Where do you think this conflict

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Well, thank you again for having me back.

I will have a great podcast.

I enjoyed the summit.

And I'm sorry we're not there in person to catch up.

But I think about a man, how much to say.

So this could be a long lecture. Let me just do four or five

quick points. First point, most important point, is that there's more questions than answers.

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