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So here he is in that environment, somehow survives and plays an important role in extricating the US from Vietnam and again I mean go chapter chapter chapter so the fact that he appreciated the U.S. and the opportunities that that had

provided to him, and is kind of in that sense a model of what you would hope, you know, people in the world can grow up to be in an American dream.

I think is a piece of them that's largely missed out partly by the fact that he's

you know celebrated or criticized or that he appears to be kind of always having been Henry Kissinger as

opposed to having been the result of this series of of successful lotteries.

I'm Jack Goldsmith and this is the Law Fair Podcast, December 8, 2023.

Last week, former Secretary of State and National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger passed away.

To assess his legacy, I sat down with Graham Allison, the Douglas Dillon Professor of Government

at Harvard University. Allison knew Kissinger well.

He first met Kissinger in 1965 when he was a student in Kissinger's class at Harvard.

And Allison worked with Kissinger for decades, right up until the end of Kissinger's life, when he and Kissinger co-authorize. and Kissinger's last essay. Allison and I discussed Kissinger's accomplishments as the statesman, his cast of mind

and long intellectual productivity, his engagement with history as a guide to international diplomacy, and his particular brand of realism.

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