Government pressures tech behind the scenes, says former Facebook employee. It’s called jawboning.
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🗓️ 28 March 2024
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It’s something government officials on both sides of the aisle are known to do: pressuring tech platforms to bend to their will, aka jawboning. But the line between persuasion and coercion, or even censorship, can get murky.
Last week, the Supreme Court heard arguments from two states alleging that the Joe Biden administration illegally coerced social media companies into blocking conservative content. Matt Perault, now with the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill’s Center on Technology Policy, says that in his former job working in policy at Facebook, jawboning happened all the time.
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| 0:00.0 | Another controversial term enters the tech lexicon. |
| 0:05.0 | From American public media, this is Marketplace Tech. |
| 0:08.0 | I'm Lily Jamale. It's something government officials on both sides of the aisle are known to do, pressuring private platforms to bend to their |
| 0:25.9 | will, aka job owning. But the line between persuasion and coercion or even government censorship, |
| 0:33.8 | can get a little murky. |
| 0:35.6 | Last week, the Supreme Court heard arguments |
| 0:37.8 | from two states alleging the Biden administration |
| 0:40.5 | illegally coerced social media companies into blocking conservative content. |
| 0:45.0 | Matt Peral of UNC Chapel Hill's Center on Technology Policy says in his former job working in policy at Facebook, |
| 0:52.0 | job owning happened all the time. |
| 0:55.0 | So there's lots of educational informational communication that occurs between |
| 0:59.2 | tech platforms and the government, and I think that's largely a positive thing and I think most people think that that falls on the constitutional |
| 1:06.3 | permitted side of the line. The question is when does it shift from education or information or advising or persuasion into coercion and I think that's |
| 1:15.3 | really what's at the root of the questions on the case. So you spent nearly a |
| 1:19.6 | decade on Facebook's policy development team and you've been pretty blunt about how you |
| 1:25.2 | were job-owned by the government while you were there and I quote repeatedly and |
| 1:29.8 | routinely how so what are some examples that you remember? |
| 1:34.0 | Yeah, so this was every day. |
| 1:37.0 | It was Republicans, it was Democrats, it was not just the U.S. government, it was foreign governments as well. |
| 1:41.0 | And so in a post that Katie Harbeth, |
| 1:44.1 | who used to work at Facebook and I wrote |
| 1:46.0 | for the Night First Amendment Institute, |
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