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GOOD EVENING: The show begins in Europe with the OSS and William J. Donovan's secret agents preparing for the invasion -- the prototypes of the CIA.

The John Batchelor Show

John Batchelor

Society & Culture, Arts, News, Books

4.5 • 2.8K Ratings

🗓️ 29 November 2024

⏱️ 5 minutes

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Summary

GOOD EVENING: The show begins in Europe with the OSS and William J. Donovan's secret agents preparing for the invasion --  the prototypes of the CIA.

June 1944 dockside

CBS EYE ON THE WORLD WITH JOHN BATCHELOR


FIRST HOUR


9-915
1/8: The Sisterhood: The Secret History of Women at the CIA Hardcover – October 17, 2023 
by  Liza Mundy  (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Sisterhood-Secret-History-Women-CIA/dp/0593238176/ref=asc_df_0593238176&mcid=d8b024f8944a3cfb869a04c0b84ba964?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80608071597838&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4584207596928557&psc=1

Created in the aftermath of World War II, the Central Intelligence Agency relied on women even as it attempted to channel their talents and keep them down. Women sent cables, made dead drops, and maintained the agency’s secrets. Despite discrimination—even because of it—women who started as clerks, secretaries, or unpaid spouses rose to become some of the CIA’s shrewdest operatives.

They were unlikely spies—and that’s exactly what made them perfect for the role. Because women were seen as unimportant, pioneering female intelligence officers moved unnoticed around Bonn, Geneva, and Moscow, stealing secrets from under the noses of their KGB adversaries. Back at headquarters, women built the CIA’s critical archives—first by hand, then by computer. And they noticed things that the men at the top didn’t see. As the CIA faced an identity crisis after the Cold War, it was a close-knit network of female analysts who spotted the rising threat of al-Qaeda—though their warnings were repeatedly brushed aside.

After the 9/11 attacks, more women joined the agency as a new job, targeter, came to prominence. They showed that data analysis would be crucial to the post-9/11 national security landscape—an effort that culminated spectacularly in the CIA’s successful effort to track down bin Laden in his Pakistani compound.

Propelled by the same meticulous reporting and vivid storytelling that infused Code Girls, The Sisterhood offers a riveting new perspective on history, revealing how women at the CIA ushered in the modern intelligence age, and how their silencing made the world more dangerous.


915-930
2/8: The Sisterhood: The Secret History of Women at the CIA Hardcover – October 17, 2023 
by  Liza Mundy  (Author)

930-945
3/8: The Sisterhood: The Secret History of Women at the CIA Hardcover – October 17, 2023 
by  Liza Mundy  (Author)

945-1000
4/8: The Sisterhood: The Secret History of Women at the CIA Hardcover – October 17, 2023 
by  Liza Mundy  (Author)


SECOND HOUR

10-1015
5/8: The Sisterhood: The Secret History of Women at the CIA Hardcover – October 17, 2023 
by  Liza Mundy  (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Sisterhood-Secret-History-Women-CIA/dp/0593238176/ref=asc_df_0593238176&mcid=d8b024f8944a3cfb869a04c0b84ba964?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80608071597838&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4584207596928557&psc=1

Created in the aftermath of World War II, the Central Intelligence Agency relied on women even as it attempted to channel their talents and keep them down. Women sent cables, made dead drops, and maintained the agency’s secrets. Despite discrimination—even because of it—women who started as clerks, secretaries, or unpaid spouses rose to become some of the CIA’s shrewdest operatives.

They were unlikely spies—and that’s exactly what made them perfect for the role. Because women were seen as unimportant, pioneering female intelligence officers moved unnoticed around Bonn, Geneva, and Moscow, stealing secrets from under the noses of their KGB adversaries. Back at headquarters, women built the CIA’s critical archives—first by hand, then by computer. And they noticed things that the men at the top didn’t see. As the CIA faced an identity crisis after the Cold War, it was a close-knit network of female analysts who spotted the rising threat of al-Qaeda—though their warnings were repeatedly brushed aside.

After the 9/11 attacks, more women joined the agency as a new job, targeter, came to prominence. They showed that data analysis would be crucial to the post-9/11 national security landscape—an effort that culminated spectacularly in the CIA’s successful effort to track down bin Laden in his Pakistani compound.

Propelled by the same meticulous reporting and vivid storytelling that infused Code Girls, The Sisterhood offers a riveting new perspective on history, revealing how women at the CIA ushered in the modern intelligence age, and how their silencing made the world more dangerous.


1015-1030
6/8: The Sisterhood: The Secret History of Women at the CIA Hardcover – October 17, 2023 
by  Liza Mundy  (Author)

1030-1045
7/8: The Sisterhood: The Secret History of Women at the CIA Hardcover – October 17, 2023 
by  Liza Mundy  (Author)

1045-1100
8/8: The Sisterhood: The Secret History of Women at the CIA Hardcover – October 17, 2023 
by  Liza Mundy  (Author)



THIRD HOUR

11-1115
1/8: Ten Birds That Changed the World Hardcover – by  Stephen Moss  (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Ten-Birds-That-Changed-World/dp/1541604466

For the whole of human history, we have lived alongside birds. We have hunted and domesticated them for food; venerated them in our mythologies, religions, and rituals; exploited them for their natural resources; and been inspired by them for our music, art, and poetry.
 
In Ten Birds That Changed the World, naturalist and author Stephen Moss tells the gripping story of this long and intimate relationship through key species from all seven of the world’s continents. From Odin’s faithful raven companions to Darwin’s finches, and from the wild turkey of the Americas to the emperor penguin as potent symbol of the climate crisis, this is a fascinating, eye-opening, and endlessly engaging work of natural history. 


1115-1130
2/8: Ten Birds That Changed the World Hardcover – by  Stephen Moss  (Author)

1130-1145
3/8: Ten Birds That Changed the World Hardcover – by  Stephen Moss  (Author)


1145-1200
4/8: Ten Birds That Changed the World Hardcover – by  Stephen Moss  (Author)


FOURTH HOUR
12-1215
5/8: Ten Birds That Changed the World Hardcover – by  Stephen Moss  (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Ten-Birds-That-Changed-World/dp/1541604466

For the whole of human history, we have lived alongside birds. We have hunted and domesticated them for food; venerated them in our mythologies, religions, and rituals; exploited them for their natural resources; and been inspired by them for our music, art, and poetry.

In Ten Birds That Changed the World, naturalist and author Stephen Moss tells the gripping story of this long and intimate relationship through key species from all seven of the world’s continents. From Odin’s faithful raven companions to Darwin’s finches, and from the wild turkey of the Americas to the emperor penguin as potent symbol of the climate crisis, this is a fascinating, eye-opening, and endlessly engaging work of natural history. 


1215-1230
6/8: Ten Birds That Changed the World Hardcover – by  Stephen Moss  (Author)
1230-1245
7/8: Ten Birds That Changed the World Hardcover – by  Stephen Moss  (Author)
1245-100
8/8: Ten Birds That Changed the World Hardcover – by  Stephen Moss  (Author)

Transcript

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0:00.0

This is John Batchelor. Conversation with Liza Mundy about the women of the CIA, the sisterhood.

0:09.0

The CIA was created out of the OSS. That's why I use pictures from the OSS memorial at the CIA building in Langley and also the Spy Museum.

0:19.8

That was an idea of William J. Donovan, a decorated soldier

0:24.2

from the first war. FDR knew him from law firms in New York. In the OSS, the original plan

0:31.8

was for Donovan to be the liaise with British Secret Service.

0:39.4

This is before the war.

0:48.6

When FDR had to work to offset the America First effort by Lindbergh and other prominent Americans to stay out of the European war, making the excellent argument that we got involved to end all wars, and we clearly didn't.

0:57.0

And after we left Europe with 50,000 dead in 1918, 1919, the European colonial powers went back

1:05.5

to bickering and grabbing at each other, and the Japanese took over part of China

1:12.4

and gobbled up the islands they got from Germany

1:15.8

and have built fortifications and are threatening us.

1:20.0

So why did we go to war in 1917?

1:24.2

We don't want to go to war again.

1:25.5

FDR had no good argument to overcome this.

1:30.3

And so he worked with Churchill and the British Secret Service

1:35.4

who fed what you'd have to say creative information into the American media.

1:43.6

This is 1940, 41, before Pearl Harbor.

1:49.9

That was the OSS.

1:52.1

It became the CIA after the close of the Second War.

1:58.1

I have photographs also of the memorial at Langley headquarters of the officers who have died.

2:05.6

Liza Mundy tells the story of officers who lived.

2:08.8

These are the women who were treated shabbily by the men for many, many decades.

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