This is exactly right.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson.

I'm a journalist who's spent the last 25 years writing about true crime.

And I'm Paul Holtz, a retired cold case investigator whose work some of America's most

complicated cases and solve them.

Each week I present Paul with one of history's most compelling true crimes.

And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring new insights to old mysteries.

Together using our individual expertise,

we're examining historical true crime cases

through a 21st century lens.

Some are solved and some are cold. Very cold. This is buried bones. Oh, Hey Kate, how's it going? It's going well Paul. What's going on with you? We're back from the winter break did you miss me I've always miss you even when we don't have breaks you know it goes way too long in between recordings

You're sweet.

But yeah, how did the break go for you?

It goes well for me.

We usually have a quiet Christmas and I have, it's not complaining about my birthday,

but it's you know

lamenting a little bit that I don't have a birthday maybe in the middle of

the summer it's three days after Christmas and then New Year's hits us right

away so I'm pretty exhausted but I'm lucky that the girls still want to stay

home with us on New Year's Eve which is so sweet you know we make fondue and we hang

out and watch movies all night we watch Lord of the Rings you know the whole series and so

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